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Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by Killua » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:36 pm

съгласна!
много ме възрадва филмчето!
колко е яко да няма книжен оригинал, та на човек всичко да му е за първи път :D
страшно ме изкефиха зверчетата и визията им. А добрият мъгъл/немаг беше най-симпатичният персонаж от всички.
Еди си беше.. Еди. Последните му роли са ми все едни и същи нещо.
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by Litz » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:13 pm

Колин Фарел е разкошен. Частейн също.

Само относно ревюто не разбрах къде е тая критика към текущата ситуация в Щатите като въпросното не критика, а е чиста проба british exceptionalism от страна на Роулинг. Смисъл имо повече логика в това да кажем, че Ъмбридж е Тачър :lol:

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by coldie » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:04 pm

Много, прекалено много клишета, слабо се усеща английскота визия за фантастичното. Типично холивудски филм пълен с клишета.
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by alshu » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:28 pm

Значи първо имаме една британка, която принципно си пише с клишета и заемки от 1000 други места.
После тя се е разровила за най-популярните британски клишета на тема - какви хора са американците и какви са традициите им, за да измисли на тяхна база, какви са магическите им традиции.
После това е разчертано и планирано в още по-опростен вариант, за да може да се произведе, сглоби и опакова от конвейера на Фабриката за мечти.

coldie, нима си очаквал нещо различно?
The coffee had been steadily growing more and more execrable for the space of three weeks, till at last it had ceased to be coffee altogether and had assumed the nature of mere discolored water — so this person said. He said it was so weak that it was transparent an inch in depth around the edge of the cup. As he approached the table one morning he saw the transparent edge — by means of his extraordinary vision long before he got to his seat. He went back and complained in a high-handed way to Capt. Duncan. He said the coffee was disgraceful. The Captain showed his. It seemed tolerably good. The incipient mutineer was more outraged than ever, then, at what he denounced as the partiality shown the captain’s table over the other tables in the ship. He flourished back and got his cup and set it down triumphantly, and said:

“Just try that mixture once, Captain Duncan.”

He smelt it — tasted it — smiled benignantly — then said:

“It is inferior — for coffee — but it is pretty fair tea.”

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by Roland » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:05 pm

Знам, че можеш да ми дадеш примери за тези клишета и как според теб би следвало да са различни американските традиции, и тръпна в очакване да ми ги споделиш :)
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by alshu » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:49 pm

Аз ли да дам пример?
Па не съм го гледал, просто си знам хората.

Имаше някакви статии на авторката, които описваха от къде тръгват магическите традиции в Америка в света на ХП - миш маш на тема индиански и заселнически карикатури (разбирай английската представа за тях) и пр. и пр. Едни щатски фентъзи фенове и дори почитатели на ХП ги плюеха мощно.
Тези статии се предполага да обясняват причините довели до процесите във фона на Fantastic Beasts. Не съм ги чел (защото не ме и касаят), а съм попадал само на негативните коментари и кратки откъси. Конкретни примери не помня естествено, но ако това са основите на филма, какъв е смисълът да го гледам, още повече щом не харесвам и основната поредица?

То аз и не че плюя самия филм, но като някой се изкаже "Аман от клишета!" наистина не ми е ясно, как може да се очаква нещо различно.
Апропо, множество пъти съм казвал, че всъщност нямам нищо против клишетата, просто любимите на Джоан К. Ролинг са ми извън интересите.
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The coffee had been steadily growing more and more execrable for the space of three weeks, till at last it had ceased to be coffee altogether and had assumed the nature of mere discolored water — so this person said. He said it was so weak that it was transparent an inch in depth around the edge of the cup. As he approached the table one morning he saw the transparent edge — by means of his extraordinary vision long before he got to his seat. He went back and complained in a high-handed way to Capt. Duncan. He said the coffee was disgraceful. The Captain showed his. It seemed tolerably good. The incipient mutineer was more outraged than ever, then, at what he denounced as the partiality shown the captain’s table over the other tables in the ship. He flourished back and got his cup and set it down triumphantly, and said:

“Just try that mixture once, Captain Duncan.”

He smelt it — tasted it — smiled benignantly — then said:

“It is inferior — for coffee — but it is pretty fair tea.”

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by coldie » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:50 pm

alshu wrote:Значи първо имаме една британка, която принципно си пише с клишета и заемки от 1000 други места.
После тя се е разровила за най-популярните британски клишета на тема - какви хора са американците и какви са традициите им, за да измисли на тяхна база, какви са магическите им традиции.
После това е разчертано и планирано в още по-опростен вариант, за да може да се произведе, сглоби и опакова от конвейера на Фабриката за мечти.

coldie, нима си очаквал нещо различно?
Първите 20-на минути с някои изключения се усети британската визия, но след това всичко си стана по холивудски с всички възможни клишета от -до.
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by alshu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:01 am

Първо, не съм сигурен дали разбираш, какво се опитвам да кажа - не става дума буквално за "Blimey!" и "Oh my!" възклицания, които идат да ни убедят, че героите са англичани (или пък, като при Агата Кристи "Parbleu!", че става дума за франкофони), а за евентуалния процес създал филма.
Второ, не виждам как наблюдението ти противоречи на хипотезата ми.
Трето, не отговори на въпроса ми.
The coffee had been steadily growing more and more execrable for the space of three weeks, till at last it had ceased to be coffee altogether and had assumed the nature of mere discolored water — so this person said. He said it was so weak that it was transparent an inch in depth around the edge of the cup. As he approached the table one morning he saw the transparent edge — by means of his extraordinary vision long before he got to his seat. He went back and complained in a high-handed way to Capt. Duncan. He said the coffee was disgraceful. The Captain showed his. It seemed tolerably good. The incipient mutineer was more outraged than ever, then, at what he denounced as the partiality shown the captain’s table over the other tables in the ship. He flourished back and got his cup and set it down triumphantly, and said:

“Just try that mixture once, Captain Duncan.”

He smelt it — tasted it — smiled benignantly — then said:

“It is inferior — for coffee — but it is pretty fair tea.”

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by coldie » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:09 am

alshu wrote:Първо, не съм сигурен дали разбираш, какво се опитвам да кажа - не става дума буквално за "Blimey!" и "Oh my!" възклицания, които идат да ни убедят, че героите са англичани (или пък, като при Агата Кристи "Parbleu!", че става дума за франкофони), а за евентуалния процес създал филма.
Второ, не виждам как наблюдението ти противоречи на хипотезата ми.
Трето, не отговори на въпроса ми.
Дали съм очаквал нещо? ... Аз доскоро, даже не бях чувал, че Роулинг е написала нов бестселър и вече е екранизиран.
Но да ти кажа, филмите за Харито, бяха много повече лишени от клишета.
Тоя филм тука, феновете ще се гордеят с ролята на Фарел, който накрая става Депп.
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by alshu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:40 am

нов бестселър
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Как лети времето, 2001 сякаш беше вчера...
То вярно, че филмът не е точно книгата, а обстоятелствата които уж водят до нея, ама...
бяха много повече лишени от клишета
Да да знам, може би просто не си консумирал достатъчно фентъзи? Първите няколко глави от първата книга преди да я дропна, а и първият филм изцяло ми бяха дежа вю.
The coffee had been steadily growing more and more execrable for the space of three weeks, till at last it had ceased to be coffee altogether and had assumed the nature of mere discolored water — so this person said. He said it was so weak that it was transparent an inch in depth around the edge of the cup. As he approached the table one morning he saw the transparent edge — by means of his extraordinary vision long before he got to his seat. He went back and complained in a high-handed way to Capt. Duncan. He said the coffee was disgraceful. The Captain showed his. It seemed tolerably good. The incipient mutineer was more outraged than ever, then, at what he denounced as the partiality shown the captain’s table over the other tables in the ship. He flourished back and got his cup and set it down triumphantly, and said:

“Just try that mixture once, Captain Duncan.”

He smelt it — tasted it — smiled benignantly — then said:

“It is inferior — for coffee — but it is pretty fair tea.”

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by Roland » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:54 am

Тоест в момента много знаеш за филм, който не си гледал. Got it.
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by alshu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:37 am

Roland
Got it.
Ти си го знаеше и преди това - излишно тракане по клавиатурата... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Всъщност всеки би могъл да се досети, ако го бях гледал, щях да пиша впечатления.
The coffee had been steadily growing more and more execrable for the space of three weeks, till at last it had ceased to be coffee altogether and had assumed the nature of mere discolored water — so this person said. He said it was so weak that it was transparent an inch in depth around the edge of the cup. As he approached the table one morning he saw the transparent edge — by means of his extraordinary vision long before he got to his seat. He went back and complained in a high-handed way to Capt. Duncan. He said the coffee was disgraceful. The Captain showed his. It seemed tolerably good. The incipient mutineer was more outraged than ever, then, at what he denounced as the partiality shown the captain’s table over the other tables in the ship. He flourished back and got his cup and set it down triumphantly, and said:

“Just try that mixture once, Captain Duncan.”

He smelt it — tasted it — smiled benignantly — then said:

“It is inferior — for coffee — but it is pretty fair tea.”

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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by Roland » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:30 pm

Ще ми простиш, ако следенето на това какво си гледал, не ми е приоритет. И е проява на лош вкус да спамиш в темата на филм без да си го гледал.
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Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Post by alshu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Мисля, че все пак знаеше отношението ми към Хари Потър без да си се интересувал специално, най-малкото защото съм досадил на всички с него (е и с други неща, но и с това).
The coffee had been steadily growing more and more execrable for the space of three weeks, till at last it had ceased to be coffee altogether and had assumed the nature of mere discolored water — so this person said. He said it was so weak that it was transparent an inch in depth around the edge of the cup. As he approached the table one morning he saw the transparent edge — by means of his extraordinary vision long before he got to his seat. He went back and complained in a high-handed way to Capt. Duncan. He said the coffee was disgraceful. The Captain showed his. It seemed tolerably good. The incipient mutineer was more outraged than ever, then, at what he denounced as the partiality shown the captain’s table over the other tables in the ship. He flourished back and got his cup and set it down triumphantly, and said:

“Just try that mixture once, Captain Duncan.”

He smelt it — tasted it — smiled benignantly — then said:

“It is inferior — for coffee — but it is pretty fair tea.”

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