"Хюго" 2015 + Драма

Литературни критики и възхвали. Всичко, което винаги сте искали да знаете за Даниел Стийл и Нора Робъртс, а ви е било срам да попитате :р
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"Хюго" 2015 + Драма

Post by Vash » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:16 pm

Въздъх...

Литературните номинации са:

Best Novel
Ancillary Sword by Ann Leckie (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
The Dark Between the Stars by Kevin J. Anderson (Tor Books)
The Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison (Sarah Monette) (Tor Books)
Lines of Departure by Marko Kloos (47North)
Skin Game by Jim Butcher (Roc Books)

Best Novella
Big Boys Don’t Cry by Tom Kratman (Castalia House)
“Flow” by Arlan Andrews, Sr. (Analog, Nov 2014)
One Bright Star to Guide Them by John C. Wright (Castalia House)
“Pale Realms of Shade” by John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)
“The Plural of Helen of Troy by John C. Wright (City Beyond Time: Tales of the Fall of Metachronopolis, Castalia House)

Best Novelette
“Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust, Earth to Alluvium” by Gray Rinehart (Orson Scott Card’s InterGalactic Medicine Show, May 2014)
“Championship B’tok” by Edward M. Lerner (Analog, Sept 2014)
“The Journeyman: In the Stone House” by Michael F. Flynn (Analog, June 2014)
“The Triple Sun: A Golden Age Tale” by Rajnar Vajra (Analog, Jul/Aug 2014)
“Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus” by John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)

Best Short Story
“Goodnight Stars” by Annie Bellet (The End is Now (Apocalypse Triptych Book 2), Broad Reach Publishing)
“On A Spiritual Plain” by Lou Antonelli (Sci Phi Journal #2, Nov 2014)
“The Parliament of Beasts and Birds” by John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)
“Totaled” by Kary English (Galaxy’s Edge Magazine, July 2014)
“Turncoat” by Steve Rzasa (Riding the Red Horse, Castalia House)

Best Related Work
“The Hot Equations: Thermodynamics and Military SF” by Ken Burnside (Riding the Red Horse, Castalia House)
Letters from Gardner by Lou Antonelli (The Merry Blacksmith Press)
Transhuman and Subhuman: Essays on Science Fiction and Awful Truth by John C. Wright (Castalia House)
“Why Science is Never Settled” by Tedd Roberts (Baen.com)
Wisdom from My Internet by Michael Z. Williamson (Patriarchy Press)

Предполагам и вие виждате неизвестни или неочаквани имена. Оказа се, че е изключително лесно да се хакне системата за номинации на Хюготата ако можете да съберете 100 - 200 глави по интернета. Точно това се е случило, с идеологическа цел, както обяснява един от организаторите на въпросния хак:
For those of you who don’t know what SAD PUPPIES is, it’s a (somewhat tongue in cheek) running effort to get stories, books, and people onto the Hugo ballot, who are entirely deserving, but who don’t usually get on the ballot. Largely because of the nomination and voting tendencies of World Science Fiction Convention, with its “fandom” community. In the last decade we’ve seen Hugo voting skew more and more toward literary (as opposed to entertainment) works. Some of these literary pieces barely have any science fictional or fantastic content in them. Likewise, we’ve seen the Hugo voting skew ideological, as Worldcon and fandom alike have tended to use the Hugos as an affirmative action award: giving Hugos because a writer or artist is (insert underrepresented minority or victim group here) or because a given work features (insert underrepresented minority or victim group here) characters.
https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/20 ... puppies-3/

Почти е сигурно, че всичко от горните освен роман ще получи No Award, което е валидна опция при гласуването.

Коментарите ще си ги оставя за по-късно, засега само ще "благодаря" на въпросните culture warriors, че Annihilation не си получи номинацията.

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Post by Demandred » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:21 pm

Пълна пародия е, да. не само, че са политически мотивирани, а по-лошото е, че Brad Torgersen, главният организатор на Sad Puppies тази година, е тотален hack, за който всичко по-амбициозно от роман на Kevin J. Anderson е твърде претенциозно.
Charlie Jane seems to be ignoring the many authors on the SP3 slate who have never before received even a single Hugo award nomination, including venerable greats like Kevin J. Anderson — the long slighting of one of the field’s titans has finally ended!
Тоя човек не спира да повтаря как Хюготата били "too literary and elitist". Това за награда, печелена от Хари Потър, Redshirts и Робърт Сойър и за която може да гласува всеки идиот, готов да отдели 40 долара.
Коментарите ще си ги оставя за по-късно, засега само ще "благодаря" на въпросните culture warriors, че Annihilation не си получи номинацията.
Аnnihilation е с около 15 нива над допустимата литературна амбиция и умения за Торгерсен и приятелчетата му. По-забавното е, че всъщност според данните които видях, тя има доста по-добри продажби от повечето от техните "популярни" номинации.
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Post by Moridin » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:06 pm

Кат искат да си харчат парите за глупости, да ги харчат, бе.

Нали затова има Небюла в крайна сметка.
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Post by Demandred » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:51 pm

Хора, трябва да ви се похваля, че току-що станах световно известен в фендъма - fundie откачалката John C. Wright (който има 6 номинации тази година) е видял мой пост на Reddit, където обяснявам що за стока е. И в резултат е написал дълъг rant на своя блог, с който ме заклеймява и анатемосва.

http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/04/chas ... ughtcrime/

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Post by tigermaster » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:09 pm

Честито :)
Смяташ ли да му отговаряш?
Света аз цял обходих
и изправен гордо пак стоя.
Срещнах милиони хора
и на всичките им взех ума.

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Post by Demandred » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:12 pm

tigermaster wrote:Честито :)
Смяташ ли да му отговаряш?
Не виждам смисъл от това. С тоя тип хора всякакви спорове са загуба на време.
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Post by grigorp » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:52 pm

Demandred wrote:
tigermaster wrote:Честито :)
Смяташ ли да му отговаряш?
Не виждам смисъл от това. С тоя тип хора всякакви спорове са загуба на време.
Отговори! Нахрани трола! Бъди известен!

Искам да чета още рантвания...

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Post by Lyanna Stark » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:24 pm

Може ли да пуснеш линк към твоя пост в редит? Нямам никакво намерение да влизам в блога на това създание и да му давам page views, но искам да прочета какво си написал. :)

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Lyanna Stark wrote:Може ли да пуснеш линк към твоя пост в редит? Нямам никакво намерение да влизам в блога на това създание и да му давам page views, но искам да прочета какво си написал. :)
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Post by Demandred » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:49 pm

grigorp wrote:
Lyanna Stark wrote:Може ли да пуснеш линк към твоя пост в редит? Нямам никакво намерение да влизам в блога на това създание и да му давам page views, но искам да прочета какво си написал. :)
http://www.reddit.com/r/sciencefiction/ ... on_racist/
Мненията на Bergmaniac ако се не лъжа...
Да, аз съм Bergmaniac там.
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Post by passer-by » Fri May 15, 2015 1:48 am

Мнението на Джордж Мартин:

http://grrm.livejournal.com/417521.html

Два откъса:

((Never believe anyone who states loudly and repeatedly that they don't care about awards, especially if they don't care about one award in particular. Aesop saw through that okey-doke centuries ago. Boy, them grapes are sour. If you don't care about something, you don't think about it, or talk about it, or try to change the rules so you get one. The people who keep shouting that they don't care if they ever win a Hugo are the ones who want one the most, take that to the bank)).

(...)

The prestige of the Hugo derives from its history. The worth of any award is determined in large part by the people who have won it. Would I love to win the Hugo for Best Novel some day? You're damned right I would. But not because I need another rocket to gather dust on my mantle, as handsome as the Hugo trophies are. I want one because Robert A. Heinlein won four, because Roger Zelazny and Alfred Bester and Ursula K. Le Guin and Fritz Leiber and Walter M. Miller Jr and Isaac Asimov and Frederik Pohl and so many other giants have won the same award. That's a club that any science fiction and fantasy writer should be thrilled to join.

Only... here's the caveat... I wouldn't want to join the club because I was part of someone's slate, or because my readers were better organized or more vocal than the fans of other authors. It is not easy to win a Hugo, and it is especially hard to win the Big One -- Hugo voters a tough crowd, one might say -- but if that honor ever does come to one of my books, I hope it is because the voters did actually, honestly believe I wrote the best novel of the year, a work worthy to stand on the shelf beside LORD OF LIGHT and THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS and STAND ON ZANZIBAR and THE FOREVER WAR and GATEWAY and SPIN and...

Elsewise, hell, what's the point? I can go down to the trophy shop and buy myself all the bowling trophies I want, if the point is just the hardware.




Отговорът на Лари Кориа, създател на Sad Puppies:

http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/04/ ... d-puppies/


И отговорът на Мартин на казаното от Кориа:

http://grrm.livejournal.com/420090.html

Два откъса:

Too much of this kind of shit is flying across the internet in both directions, and I don't think any good whatsoever is served by debates about who flung the first shit, or who flung the most shit, or who flung the smelliest shit.

More and more, I grow convinced that the internet is toxic. Every controversy brings out the trolls and toads, of every political, religious, and literary persuasion, most of them anonymous, all of them venomous. You can't control the assholes on your side and I can't control the assholes on my side. I fear we will both just have to live with that.


(...)

[[CORREIA: (...) At that point Sad Puppies was no longer just about proving a point. It was about giving a voice to a whole mess of fans who didn’t think they would ever have one again. The mission changed, and it became about getting deserving worthy creators who would normally be shunned or ignored some freaking recognition for once in their lives. It was time to stand up to the clique that shall not be named and their lectures about how we were having wrongfun. Unlike the existing cliques, Sad Puppies 3 didn’t give a damn about politics, race, religion, or orientation. All we cared about was could they tell us a damned good story.]]

Got it. Politics, race, religion, and sexual orientation, OUT. Damned good stories, IN. And for this year's Damned Good Story standard bearer, you chose... John C. Wright SIX TIMES!!! John C. Wright, a writer famed far and wide for having no opinions on politics, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and would never dream of injecting such messages into his Damned Good Stories. Because, after all, the Puppies get sad when they are made to read Message Fiction.

So Wright is in, and who is out? James S.A. Corey. Emily St. John Mandel. John Scalzi (of course). THREE BODY PROBLEM. Joe Abercrombie. Larry Niven. Greg Bear. Daniel Abraham. John Varley. William Gibson. Joe Haldeman. Greg Benford. Lev Grossman. Stephen King. No damned good stories there. I guess. No real science fiction, no exciting fantasy, nothing entertaining or commercial, just pretentious left-wing literary crap, right?



Линковете към тези три поста са взети от темата на Малазанския форум по проблема:
http://forum.malazanempire.com/topic/28 ... d-puppies/




И още една интересна дискусия по темата:

http://file770.com/?p=22418&cpage=1






Кратко обобщение на ситуацията от Кони Уилис:
WHY I WON’T BE A PRESENTER AT THE HUGO AWARDS THIS YEAR
http://azsf.net/cwblog/?p=116


Моето мнение - едно време се впечатлявах от награди като "Оскар", "Хюго", "Еми", "Айзнър" и тем подобни. Сега си давам сметка, че ако група хора (спецове или не) са харесали дадена творба и са я наградили, това не е непременно гаранция, че тя ще ми хареса и на мен. По най-различни причини.
Същото важи за творби, които не са помирисали награда или дори номинация, пък на мен ми допадат (Cloud Atlas и тоталното му изключване от наградите "Оскар" например).

А конкретно тазгодишната ситуация с Хюготата породи у мен мощно deja vu с някои резултати от Националните фантастични награди, със съответните разлики в мащабите, разбира се. Явно натам вървят нещата с все по-интензивното организиране на агитки в интернет по един или друг признак.
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Post by passer-by » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:21 am

Един автор обяснява защо отхвърля номинирането си от листата на Тъжните Кученца.

https://www.blackgate.com/2015/04/04/a- ... planation/

Много изчерпателно и много добре структурирано в следните компоненти:


I) Aesthetics

A) Ideology and SF

i) Ideology in the history of SF
ii) Ideology in recent Hugo-winning novels
iii) Ideology in the eye of the reader
iv) The value of ideology

B) The ‘literary’

i) The ‘literary’ in the history of SF
ii) The ‘literary’ in recent Hugo-winning novels
iii) The ‘literary’ in non-Hugo-winning SF
iv) The value of the ‘literary’

II) Awards and Popularity

A) General reflections on sales and the Hugos

i) Are the Hugos actually not rewarding best-sellers?
ii) Should awards and sales be correlated?

B) Problems with sales as a measure of quality

i) Marketing and distribution
ii) Granularity and unpredictable responses
iii) The historical record of sales

C) The use of awards

i) Awards as supporting and encouraging writers
ii) Awards as recognition
iii) Awards as presentation of a field to the outside world

III) Worldcon and Fandom

A) Worldcon and the sf community

i) Worldcon and the larger media world
ii) Worldcon’s size and the Hugos
iii) Other awards

B) The nature of fandom

i) The definition of a fan
ii) The nature of the Fan Writer award
iii) I am not a fan
iv) Controversy in fandom
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Re: "Хюго" 2015 + Драма

Post by Killua » Mon May 30, 2016 3:48 pm

Ето и чудесно и подробно ревю по темата от Дем. Описва изчерпателно за какво иде реч и как се е зародила драмата - особено за тотално незапознатите по въпроса като мен или за хората, които вече са им изгубили спатиите кое, как и защо :)
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Post by Вашта леля » Mon May 30, 2016 7:09 pm

Как мислите, слочаенос ли е, че цялата драма съвпадна с възхода на Тръмп? На мен всичко това ми звучи като надигане на чалгарията, опитваща да се представи за справедлив бунт срещу подмолните схеми елитите.

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Re: "Хюго" 2015 + Драма

Post by Amelia » Mon May 30, 2016 7:20 pm

Вашта леля wrote:Как мислите, слочаенос ли е, че цялата драма съвпадна с възхода на Тръмп?
НЕМИСЛЯ!!!

В момента светът се е разцепил яко между либерали и консерви и дебатът за това кой е по-по-най се води на всякакви фронтове - истински политически, културни, че даже и медицински.

Да, сред проваксърите битува странното и неподкрепено със статистика мнение, че антиваксърите били супер леви И ЕТО ДО КАКВО НИ ДОКАРА ТОЯ ЛИБЕРАЛИЗЪМ.

Ваопще исопщо: :ghostche:

Имам чувството, че с тоя тип тъпотии си запълваме вакуума създаден от това, че не сме в състояние на истинска или студена война с някого. Явно всяка група от хора има нужда от някакъв ВРАГ някъде там, за да се чувства значима. А аз се чудя дали наистина се влошаваме като интелект, или взех да одъртявам и да ми се привижда Апокалипсис като на всеки дърт човек.

Ма май не. При мен в повечето случаи проблемът е в морално изостаналите дъртаци по света. Той щот съм си либерастче.
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