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Post by Roland » Fri May 02, 2008 10:25 am

Великолепна статия, посветена на съдебното дело, което Роулинг води срещу некъв мунчо, който се опитва да издаде справочник на книгите й. В общи линии я описва точно като алчната комплексирана кучка, която тя най-вероятно е.

Слагам в спойлер-таг, че да не заема много място:
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Orson Scott Card wrote:Rowling, Lexicon, and Oz

Can you believe that J.K. Rowling is suing a small publisher because she claims their 10,000-copy edition of Harry Potter Lexicon, a book about Rowling's hugely successful novel series, is just a "rearrangement" of her own material.

Rowling "feels like her words were stolen," said lawyer Dan Shallman.

Well, heck, I feel like the plot of my novel Ender's Game was stolen by J.K. Rowling.

A young kid growing up in an oppressive family situation suddenly learns that he is one of a special class of children with special abilities, who are to be educated in a remote training facility where student life is dominated by an intense game played by teams flying in midair, at which this kid turns out to be exceptionally talented and a natural leader. He trains other kids in unauthorized extra sessions, which enrages his enemies, who attack him with the intention of killing him; but he is protected by his loyal, brilliant friends and gains strength from the love of some of his family members. He is given special guidance by an older man of legendary accomplishments who previously kept the enemy at bay. He goes on to become the crucial figure in a struggle against an unseen enemy who threatens the whole world.

This paragraph lists only most prominent similarities between Ender's Game and the Harry Potter series. My book was published in England years before Rowling began writing about Harry Potter. Rowling was known to be reading widely in speculative fiction during the era after the publication of my book.

I can get on the stand and cry, too, Ms. Rowling, and talk about feeling "personally violated."

The difference between us is that I actually make enough money from Ender's Game to be content, without having to try to punish other people whose creativity might have been inspired by something I wrote.

Mine is not the only work that one can charge Rowling "borrowed" from. Check out this piece from a fan site, pointing out links between Harry Potter and other previous works: http://www.geocities.com/versetrue/rowling.htm. And don't forget the lawsuit by Nancy K. Stouffer, the author of a book entitled The Legend of Rah and the Muggles, whose hero was named "Larry Potter."

At that time, Rowling's lawyers called Stouffer's claim "frivolous."

It's true that we writers borrow words from each other -- but we're supposed to admit it and not pretend we're original when we're not. I took the word ansible from Ursula K. LeGuin, and have always said so. Rowling, however, denies everything.

If Steven Vander Ark, the author of Lexicon, had written fiction that he claimed was original, when it was actually a rearrangement of ideas taken from the Harry Potter books, then she'd have a case.

But Lexicon is intended only as a reference book for people who have already paid for their copies of Rowling's books. Even though the book is not scholarly, it certainly falls within the realm of scholarly comment.

Rowling's hypocrisy is so thick I can hardly breathe: Prior to the publication of each novel, there were books about them that were no more intrusive than Lexicon. I contributed to one of them, and there was no complaint about it from Rowling or her publishers because they knew perfectly well that these fan/scholar ancillary publication were great publicity and actually boosted sales.

But now the Harry Potter series is over, and Rowling claims that her "creative work" is being "decimated."

Of course, she doesn't claim that it's the Lexicon that is harming her "creative work" (who's she borrowing from this time?); it's the lawsuit itself! And since she chose to bring the suit, whose fault is it? If she had left Vander Ark alone to publish his little book and make his little bit of money, she wouldn't be distracted from her next novel.

But no, Rowling claims Vander Ark's book "constitutes wholesale theft of 17 years of my hard work."

Seventeen years? What a crock. Apparently she includes in that total the timeframe in which she was reading -- and borrowing from -- the work of other writers.

On the stand, though, Rowling's chief complaint seems to be that she would do a better job of annotating and encyclopedizing her own series.

So what?

Nothing prevents her from doing exactly that -- annotating and explaining her own novels. Do you think that if there were a Harry Potter Annotated by the Author, Vander Ark's book would interfere with her sales in any way?

This frivolous lawsuit puts at serious risk the entire tradition of commentary on fiction. Any student writing a paper about the Harry Potter books, any scholarly treatise about it, will certainly do everything she's complaining about.

Once you publish fiction, Ms. Rowling, anybody is free to write about it, to comment on it, and to quote liberally from it, as long as the source is cited.

Here's the irony: Vander Ark had the material for this book on his website for years, and Rowling is quoted as saying that when she needed to look up some 'fact" from her earlier books, she would sometimes "sneak into an Internet café while out writing and check a fact rather than go into a bookshop and buy a copy of Harry Potter."

In other words, she already had made personal use of Vander Ark's work and found it valuable. Even if it has shortcomings, she found it useful.

That means that Vander Ark created something original and useful -- he added value to the product. If Rowling wants to claim that it interferes with her creativity now, she should have made that complaint back when she was using it -- and giving Vander Ark an award for his website back in 2004.

Now, of course, she regrets "bitterly" having given the award.

You know what I think is going on?

Rowling has nowhere to go and nothing to do now that the Harry Potter series is over. After all her literary borrowing, she shot her wad and she's flailing about trying to come up with something to do that means anything.

Moreover, she is desperate for literary respectability. Even though she made more money than the Queen or Oprah Winfrey in some years, she had to see her books pushed off the bestseller lists and consigned to a special "children's book" list. Litterateurs sneer at her work as a kind of subliterature, not really worth discussing.

It makes her insane. The money wasn't enough. She wants to be treated with respect.

At the same time, she's also surrounded by people whose primary function is to suck up to her. No doubt some of them were saying to her, "It's wrong for these other people to be exploiting what you created to make money for themselves."

She let herself be talked into being outraged over a perfectly normal publishing activity, one that she had actually made use of herself during its web incarnation.

Now she is suing somebody who has devoted years to promoting her work and making no money from his efforts -- which actually helped her make some of her bazillions of dollars.

Talent does not excuse Rowling's ingratitude, her vanity, her greed, her bullying of the little guy, and her pathetic claims of emotional distress.

I fully expect that the outcome of this lawsuit will be:

1. Publication of Lexicon will go on without any problem or prejudice, because it clearly falls within the copyright law's provision for scholarly work, commentary, and review.

2. Rowling will be forced to pay Steven Vander Ark's legal fees, since her suit was utterly without merit from the start.

3. People who hear about this suit will have a sour taste in their mouth about Rowling from now on. Her Cinderella story once charmed us. Her greedy evil-witch behavior now disgusts us. And her next book will be perceived as the work of that evil witch.

It's like her stupid, self-serving claim that Dumbledore was gay. She wants credit for being very up-to-date and politically correct -- but she didn't have the guts to put that supposed "fact" into the actual novels, knowing that it might hurt sales.

What a pretentious, puffed-up coward. When I have a gay character in my fiction, I say so right in the book. I don't wait until after it has had all its initial sales to mention it.

Rowling has now shown herself to lack a brain, a heart and courage. Clearly, she needs to visit Oz.

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Rowling has now shown herself to lack a brain, a heart and courage. Clearly, she needs to visit Oz.
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Post by passer-by » Fri May 02, 2008 10:34 am

(...)You know what I think is going on?

Rowling has nowhere to go and nothing to do now that the Harry Potter series is over. After all her literary borrowing, she shot her wad and she's flailing about trying to come up with something to do that means anything.

Moreover, she is desperate for literary respectability. Even though she made more money than the Queen or Oprah Winfrey in some years, she had to see her books pushed off the bestseller lists and consigned to a special "children's book" list. Litterateurs sneer at her work as a kind of subliterature, not really worth discussing.

It makes her insane. The money wasn't enough. She wants to be treated with respect. (...) People who hear about this suit will have a sour taste in their mouth about Rowling from now on. Her Cinderella story once charmed us. Her greedy evil-witch behavior now disgusts us. And her next book will be perceived as the work of that evil witch.

It's like her stupid, self-serving claim that Dumbledore was gay. She wants credit for being very up-to-date and politically correct -- but she didn't have the guts to put that supposed "fact" into the actual novels, knowing that it might hurt sales.

What a pretentious, puffed-up coward. When I have a gay character in my fiction, I say so right in the book. I don't wait until after it has had all its initial sales to mention it.

Rowling has now shown herself to lack a brain, a heart and courage. Clearly, she needs to visit Oz.
Прекрасна статия от А до Я.
Тая Роулинг явно съвсем се е побъркала от парите и известността и май е развила наркозависимост към тях, та като е приключила поредицата сега се чуди как да остане във фокуса на медийното внимание.
А начина, по който се е отнесла към Стивън Вандър Арк... егати безсрамницата.
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Post by Moridin » Fri May 02, 2008 10:34 am

Култово е :mrgreen:

Но е твърде груб. По-detached тон би бил по-добре. Сега съвсееееееееем леко бие на "баси как ме издразни, обаче ако пък спечели, ще се изям от яд", което е леко недостойно. И изобщо малко повече хладно джентълменство й трябва на тая статия.
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Post by Roland » Fri May 02, 2008 10:41 am

Оф, ма той чувствителен, чувствителен към тона :roll: Вечно ше намериш нещо да не ти е достатъчно полит-коректно.

Бате, Орсън Скот Кард е най-популярният и успешен жив американски фантаст. Има световно признание, каквото Роулинг няма да постигне никога, вероятно и не твърде много по-малко пари от нея. Щом такъв човек използва такъв тон, значи просто именно го е издразнила с наглостта и алчността си. Не виждам за чий му е да е хладно джентълменски, стига да не изглежда злобен, какъвто определено не изглежда.

Недостойно било, божкее :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Post by passer-by » Fri May 02, 2008 10:41 am

Ами Жоро, при изброените й изпълнения какъв тон очакваш? Роулинг явно сериозно дразни колегите си. Пък и чак "твърде груб" не бих казал. Просто няма основание да се държи любезно с нея.

И не мисля, че Орсън Скот Кард би се изял от яд, ако Роулинг спечели делото. Просто изтъква аргументи защо подобен изход би бил абсурден.
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Post by Moridin » Fri May 02, 2008 10:45 am

Симеоне, спести си смайлитата да не ти лепна голем чук върху аватара.

Статията е твърдо по-груба от нужното и не виждам какво общо имат успехите на Кард със случая. Ако ще критикуваш някого, правиш го достойно, а не злобно (накъдето тая статия в определени моменти избива, особено с подбора на думи). Иначе поне за мен губиш уважание. И ДА, знам, че на Кард му пука на чушката за уважанието ми, както явно и на теб, но тук е форум, където хората си изразяват мнението; ако държиш всеки да е съгласен на 100% с всичко постнато, знаеш къде е твоят Haven, нали.
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Post by zhivik » Fri May 02, 2008 10:58 am

Жоро, не можеш да отречеш, че Роулинг е леко нагла в този случай, нали? И аз като видях новината със съдебното дело, първата ми мисъл беше нещо подобно - не ли и стигат милионите досега, че е тръгнала да се заяжда за нещо, което не може да се ползва, без някой да си купи книгите и? Добре, може би тонът на Кард не е учтив, но това не променя смисъла на казаното, нали? Най-много Роулинг да го съди и него (за обида), което още повече ще влоши нещата за нея ...

Явно проблемът в случая е, че Роулинг е искала да направи същото, от което да изкара още пари, но някой по-предприемчив от нея я е изпреварил. Съжалявам, но не мога да застана на нейна страна, колкото и да са груби коментарите срещу нея. Да не говорим, че откровените грубости в мнението на Орсън Скот Кард далеч не са съставна част от текста, и са на практика две изречения накрая. За останалата част от текста аз нямам никакви забележки към тона, защото човекът просто казва това, което мисли, без да го е грижа за политическата коректност.
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Post by Roland » Fri May 02, 2008 11:02 am

Пък аз съм на мнение, че хладната дистанцираност не е отговор на всичко. Различните събития заслужават различен отклик и подобна помия си проси именно вербалния шамар на Кард, който, бтв, никъде не излиза всъщност от културния тон, просто нарича нещата с истинските им имена, или поне такива, каквито ги вижда той. И според мен материалът щеше да ИЗГУБИ, ако беше по-стерилен.
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Post by Mindcrime » Fri May 02, 2008 11:09 am

Да до тук водят славата и парите.

Спомням си преди години слъзливата тема за бедната Роулинг пишеща книжки за детето си и щастието кацащо на рамото и когато издават първия Потър. Няколко години по късно, дамата вече АБСОЛЮТНО е забравила от къде е тръгнала и почва да се излага тотално. Никога не съм бил фен на Потърите, но и мен страшно много ме издразни онова с Дъмбълдор и гейството. Защо бе, джанъм? Защо?
В послените месеци това и е втората безмислена постъпка на тази женица.

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Post by inkheart » Fri May 02, 2008 2:32 pm

а знаете ли, че и той е Мормон :mrgreen:

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Post by passer-by » Fri May 02, 2008 2:34 pm

inkheart wrote:а знаете ли, че и той е Мормон :mrgreen:
Това какво общо има със статията му за Роулинг? :roll:



Иначе в Америка едно време доста биеха негрите (според съветските другари). Но това едва ли има връзка с качеството на американската фантастика примерно. :lol:
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Post by Matrim » Fri May 02, 2008 4:32 pm

Well, heck, I feel like the plot of my novel Ender's Game was stolen by J.K. Rowling.
Аз спрях да взимам на сериозно изблика на Кард още като прочетох това...
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Post by passer-by » Fri May 02, 2008 4:37 pm

А не допускаш ли, че може да го е казал саркастично с цел да намекне, че оригинални сюжети не се срещат във всяко фентъзи произведение, еле пък Потърите?
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Post by Roland » Fri May 02, 2008 4:37 pm

Ъъъ, може би ако го беше дочел, щеше да схванеш, че е сарказъм :lol:
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Post by Matrim » Fri May 02, 2008 6:19 pm

Сигурно проблемът е в моя телевизор, но не ми се вижда да е просто сарказъм. С такива примери Кард се мъчи да постави Роулинг в положението на оня, когото тя съди, но според мен всичко, което постига с това е сравняване на прословутите apples and oranges. :lol:
Аз не знам що за чудо е тоя лексикон - някой знае ли дали други фентъиз поредици имат такива помагала неодобрени от автора? Примерно никой не продава WOT FAQ-a. Само Роулинг ли гаднее така или и другите го правят, но Кард е решил, че тя е най-прималива мишена?
вероятно и не твърде много по-малко пари от нея.
Вярваш ли си, ама наистина?
Бате, Орсън Скот Кард е най-популярният и успешен жив американски фантаст.
Как пък установи този "факт"? Най-успешен като продажби, награди или...?
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